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over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue. this was part of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed co
will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at
love "the washington post" headline. republicans losing blame game on fiscal cliff. neener. majority of americans say if the country goes over the cliff on december 31st, congressional republicans should bear the brunt of the blame. "washington post" pew poll -- >> pew pew. >> stephanie: latest time the g.o.p. faces a tireless task between now and the end of the year. 53% say the g.o.p. would and should lose the fiscal cliff blame game. 27% say the president. so there. [ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] >> stephanie: a tee and then a hee. donna says i got my tickets. steph, as your official vegetarian travel agent, i got meet and grope tickets. so did many of our stephanie and the mooks meet up group. >> i love that. >> stephanie: not that kind of meet. we're having a celebration dinner this sunday to celebrate getting meet and grope tickets to what -- >> it's a new year and time for a new inauguration. >> the president of the united states is once again barack obama. s. ♪ >> time for a new sexy li
cliff as americans on all levels have to prepare to take the tax hit. hope it doesn't, but i'm going to break it down next. ♪ gerri: i always like to give you the straight poop on everything, and, today, i'm concerned about the fiscal cliff. in the past two days, two very well-connected professional money managers have spoken to me about their trepidation their clients have about the expiration of the bush tax cuts and the cut backs on spending. money is worried, concernend many are selling as you've seen. to read the stories of the press on the fiscal cliff, well, you'd think change is on the horizon just 33 days away, well, it doesn't maer much. in fact, just sit back, relax. the fiscal cliff is not a big deal. i'll quote one here. it's unlikely all of these bad things happen or stay in effect for an extended period of time. pundits call if the fiscal cliff smoke that is, instead o a cliff, the rising support for junking the fiscal approach as confusing and renaming it the austerity crisis or bomb. that's it. according to the u.s. news and world report, give the cliff another nam
economy, it will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to overt the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester. and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address the debt crisis and get our economy going again and create jobs. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> doctor would you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see? >> it's been clear over the last year and a half i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget where we drought line very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget an
-called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congress find a gentler way to solve the crisis in the federal budget. here's how treasury secretary tim geithner put it on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. ren, it's only 2%. >> pelley: by 2% he means individuals making more than $200000 and couples taking in 250,000 or more. republicans say rates shouldn't be increased on anyone. with no agreement, going over the fiscal cliff would be painful. the automatic tax increases break down like this: households making $20,000 to $4,000 would see an increase in $1,200 a year. incomes of $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house talked this over today and here's major garrett at the white house. major? >> reporter:
would be so irresponsible as to threat on take the american people off this fiscal cliff. plunge us back into recession and put a lot of people out of work. so this is very disappointing. and i wish we weren't where we are, but it takes two parties to negotiate in good faith and frankly the president has been awol. megyn: do you believe the president want to go off the fiscal cliff? >> by judging from his behavior, i'm beginning to believe he does. and that i think would be a profoundy irresponsible act. economists of all stripes have told us we'll be plunged into a recession. we don't know in light of this fragile economy whether it would be a small dip or whether it would spiral out of control. so it's just something we should not be toying with. that's why it's so discouraging to see the president and secretary geithner increase their demand and not come closer together given the fact our side has put revenue on the table, something we don't want to do. we know we don't have just a taxing problem, we have a spending problem and we see no commensurate action from the president or his p
american. >> senator rubio weighing in on the fiscal cliff debate and the idea of raising tax rates for the wealthy saying we need to make poor people richer, not rich people poorer. soledad. >> that's the kind of thinking that will get you votes, right? >> all right. thanks, zoraida. >> new york city police could be close to charging a suspect in that fatal subway push. they say a man is now being questioned and has implicated himself in this case. a front page "new york post" photo has become the source of a lot of controversy. it shows the victim desperately trying to climb up from the tracks as the train approaches. this morning we're hearing that the photographer has said some things in his own defense. cnn's mary snow has more on this report. >> [ bleep ] alone. take your [ bleep ] over there. >> reporter: why exactly these men were fighting is unclear. but moments after this video obtained by the new york police was record 58-year-old ki-suck han whose face is obscured, was pushed on to the tracks, police say, by the man yelling at him. subway barreling through the station ki
the break the latest from the political front. the president took his fiscal cliff case directly to the american people. believe me, he was speaking right at you john boehner. it's (vo) as marijuana gains social and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the backwoods. >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you do, a violation of federal law. (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing marijuana. >> this crop to me is my livelihood. >> i have everything invested in this. >> obama: i've been keeping my own naughty and nice list for washington. so you should keep your eye on who gets some correct this year. there are going to be some members of congress who get 'em and on don't. >> jennifer: that was president obama at the connect toy factory factory. he was warning congress they might end up on the naughty list. and he asked republicans to extend the bush era tax cuts for those making less than $250,00
the american people about the fiscal cliff. it's part of the white house push to build support. the president has answered a few questions so far. let's get backe to kristen welker. she's monitoring the exchanges. what have we learned, kristen? >> reporter: good afternoon. most exchanges have to do with questions concerning increasing taxes on wealthier americans as well as cuts to sbimgentitlemen. one exchange caught our attention. this is from mandy. as a recent college grad bout wout a full time job these cuts wouldn't help me, would they? the president responds kitts without revenue equal reductions in student loans, work study and college tax credits expire. bad for growth. the president says like your hair. she has purple hair, tamron. a lot of questions pouring in. as you know when you look at the polls about 60% of americans agree with president obama's plan to increase taxes on those making $250,000 or more. if you look at questions coming in, there's still concerns about those ideas, so the president answering those this afternoon. this is really like a twitter town hall. he used a
% of americans are likely to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice
out any minute. we're going to be live at the supreme court. and could going over the fiscal cliff actually be the fiscally smart move? a deep dive into what a cliff dive means for washington and millions of american families. but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. a public speech today at the threat reduction symposium. some interesting remarks about dick lugar, i'm sure. also more about nuclear proliferation. perhaps iran. should be interesting, an interesting speech to watch and read. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars by december 22nd to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest mo
the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal reserve is drunk. while back the fed is distorting the bond work it. dagen: does it make sense that the fed is likely to continue the bond buying into the next year? does that make any sense on the planet? >> well, look, i thought qe1 was absolutely essential. qe2 i understood why we did it. qe3, i do not get it. i think the fed is making a mistake here. they could have achieved the same or even a better objective by following a different policy. this is the path we are on. doctor bernanke is obviously completely preoccupied with the risks of having a depression and he is throwing as much monetary stimulus at this thing as he can. i
the fiscal cliff, but if the average american family, according to the statistics, has to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year, they're not going to be buying any more lincoln logs or toys like this. we cannot endorse any one product, by the way. and therefore this business is going to suffer. if there's one thing that's clear, thomas, from the president's offer through secretary geithner up on the hill yesterday, is number one, they really feel like they have the upper political hand. and number two, they're going to play hardball, as you reported. we are still, believe it or not, on the eve of december in the preliminary sort of positioning stages of this negotiation, thomas. >> okay. that's hutfeld, pennsylvania? >> reporter: i believe it is hatfield. i'm getting confirmation here, yes. >> nbc's mike viqueira in hatfield, pa. >>> we are going to be carrying the president's remarks live today at 12:05 right here on msnbc, the place for politics. , something this delicious could only come from nature. new nectresse. the 100% natural no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit.
the greek fiscal cliff. we have our own and people here say we could be the next greece. how does that make you feel when you hear that kind of talk from american politicians, american business people, american citizens? >> extremely worrisome because you represent 25% of the global economy whereas greece, which wasn't the cause of the european crisis, only represents 2% of the european gdp. so if you guys were to actually have such deep problems, then it would mean problems for everyone globally and no one would want that. i'm sure that you'll be able to find the right solution by the end of december. >> let us hope. mr. michalos, thank you very much. sue? >>> thank you, ty. two big winners in that $587 million record powerball lottery. but how much do you really need to earn to make you happy? the answer may surprise you. >>> and before you fill up your tank with gas, listen up. aaa is warning regulators to stop sales of a certain type of fuel at the pump because it could damage your car and void your car warrantee. details on that when "power" resumes in two minutes. ♪ [ male announcer
over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democratic leadership to come up with something that avoids going over the fiscal cliff. i think that's what that poll shows. >> let me change topics for a bit. news broke just before the program that republican senator jim demint is leaving. he decided to take over the heritage foundation. i have a question for you in that was this expected? he's a staunch conservative and opponent to craving into democrats and how do those things factor into a way ahead for republicans in the senate? >> i was surprised to hear that jim demint was giving up his senate seat to become head of the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank in washington. it surprised me. i suppose if it surprised me, it surprised a lot of washingtonians as well. i didn't have any indication he was ready to give up that seat from south carolina.
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're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an incredibly popular position. it's important for republicans to know that the white house is not going to accept any kind of a deal. that's the point he was trying to make. i think all the leverage now is with the democrats, with the president. the american public is on his side. i think it's important for the republicans not to think that they can just get any kind of deal out of him because if they do go over the cliff, there is a solution. the very next day, the house can simply pass a bill, giving tax relief to 98% of americans and we go on. >> but the house is controlled by republicans. >> and it would be the republicans fault
on the fiscal cliff. and stopping automatic spending cuts and instant tax hikes from hitting every american. negotiations between the who is and congress has stalled, john boehner calling it a stalemate. there are 30 days to go. charles, draw me a picture, how does this end? is staking out their positions, and really coming and enjoying the ring around the area where they are lease protecting where they want to advance, so the presidents and the democrats are basically outlining the increased revenue side of the spectrum. and the republicans are looking at it and saying come to the table and tell us what you're going to do in terms of cutting entitlements and spending. so both of them are now at this phase where it looks like they're at lagger heads. i happen to believe that we don't know what's happening behind the scenes. some of this can just be political posturing, we don't know the discussions that are being had in private and no one wants to be the person who blinks first. the president and democrats say we won, why should we blink first. and boehner is trying to protect his job. he h
. >> thanks, everyone. >> gretchen: americans are on the verge of the fiscal cliff. but you know what? just don't ask them what it is 'cause coming up, we're going to show you some smarties and dummies. >> steve: then former nfl football player jerome bettis is is here, he's going to join brian live. >> gretchen: i thought stu was doing that interview ♪ if loving you is wrong ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. ♪ when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is that there isn't anything on the schedule. >> steve: time for news by the
, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and to create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country does not need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it is time for the president and congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're willing to make. with that, i will take a few questions. [indiscernible] >> it has been very clear over the last year and a half. i have talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budgets where we outlined specific proposals that we passed last year and the year before. we know what the menu is. we do not know what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. [indiscernible] >> i am not going to get into details, but it is very clear what kind of spending cuts need to occur, but we have no idea what the white house is willing to do. >> most public statements have been optimistic. we ar
will not play that game. >> tonight, democratic whip steny hoyer gives me the latest fiscal cliff developments and the democratic line on medicare. tom perriello from the center of american progress action fund on how democrats can deal with republicans who can't deal with reality. rubio and ryan reload with a new message for the middle class. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. >> but there is no escaping their own policies. >> we're going to a majority of takers versus makers in america. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz responds tonight. plus, senator barbara boxer on her new plan for national polling place standards. and a new poll shows half of all republicans think the defunct group a.c.o.r.n. stole the election from president obama. >> that's an eye opener. >> i wonder where they ever got that idea? >> you just have to wait and see what happens. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. here is are the latest. republicans are at a stalemate with the white house for debt negotiations. republicans really only have two opti
the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy. it will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes, to replace the sequester and pave the way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy and protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis and to get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that, i'll take a few questions sfwl speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within entitlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year and a half, i've talked to the president about many of the
for on the fiscal cliff? look at every poll. americans largely agree with the president which is why they re-elected him. the president. >> when you look at the map it doesn't work. -- when you look at the math it doesn't work. we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> stephanie: we just talked about this earlier. a newly-released poll from "the washington post" and pew shows 53% of americans would blame republicans if we don't get a fiscal cliff agreement. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] the numbers are largely unchanged from the ones conducted right after the election. that's exactly what the president said. we're in the exit polls. to only 27% would blame obama if the country goes over the cliff. blah blah, blah. to that 64%ers who didn't believe it would have a major effect on the u.s. economy and 60% think that will be negative. who are republicans fighting for? not for a majority of americans. he's fighting for the top 2% who he says are actually small
cliff doesn't seem to stop americans from buying new cars. edmunds analyst jessica caldwell breaks down a surprising strong month for automakers but will it last? tracy: time to check stocks as we do every 15 minutes. we head down to the lauren simonetti on the floor of the new york stock exchange. they are slipping but just off the lows of the day. >> off the lows of the day. but the dow and s&p 500 giving up about a third of a percent each right now. the nasdaq is down three points. off the lows. the low for the dow this session is 12,969. we're a little above it but seems like the market wants to end the day in the red. we got conflicting data. construction spending was favorable in october. but manufacturing surprisingly contracted in november here in the u.s. so that is some we're getting. show you a big winner. that is dell, the third best performer out of the s&p 500 right now. goldman sachs upgrading the stock from a sell all the way to a buy and giving it a $13 price target from $9. dell is one of your big winners today. back to you. tracy: merry christmas, dell. lauren, see yo
and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an
've been talking a lot this morning about the fiscal cliff the impact on middle american families particularly. but there are a lot of people who are saying today well, let's teach the republicans a lesson. let's let them go over the cliff. why not. and then see what happens. does it make any sense to you? >> look. you know, i'm into actually solving things. not retribution. i'm a teacher. and what you do is you try to -- you try to educate people. you know. if you have to protest. if you have to activate. you do those things. but at the end of the day the american people actually said really clearly in the election by the polling data about congress and you see what they said -- what was litigated during the election. and what they said during the election. every single day. barack obama, joe biden the people running for senate said we have to have a balanced approach which means more revenues. they said that. it was pretty clear. and the american people voted for the president and the biggest popular vot
administration is ready to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop doesn't bid on higher taxes. a poll shows nearly half of those ads say it's time to end talks cuts for the wealthy but keep it in place for americans earning $250,000 or less. 32% say the tax cuts should remain in place for everyone. during a broadcast interview yesterday timothy geithner was asked what if republican don't agree to raising taxes? >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect of an agreement that doesn't involve the tax -- remember, it's 207b8%. remember, all of those americans, too, get a tax cut into that framework on the first $250,000 of their income. >> that said the president and speaker john boehner discussed the budget by phone yesterday. susan mcginnis is in washington with the latest on this game of fiscal chicken. susan, good morning to you. >> right. good morning, terrell. yeah, that phone call does raise the possibility that some serious talks could start soon, but now we learn that a lot of members of congress are heading out on a long weekend, not
of running the original picture. >>> turning to other offensive things. the fiscal cliff, which is beginning to be one of the great crashing bores in the history of world publics. you're three bright americans all involved in politics, in some way or form. the rest of the world finds this, not only laughable, but almost dangerously laughable, that year in, year out, it seems, washington goes to these cliffs. plays games, doesn't get deals done. what the hell is wrong with american politicians? alan dershowitz, what is wrong with american politicians? why can't they get around a table and negotiate properly? >> because all they care about is getting elected. nobody cares deeply about the future of america. we have america to urge with the israelis to negotiate with the palestinians. urging to negotiate with everyone but us in washington. we don't negotiate. our parties are so extreme. i'm a relatively wealthy person. i want to be paying more taxes. i want our taxes to go to serve the policies of the country, education, charity, health care. i think that president obama's right about this. but
's build a bridge over the fiscal cliff, temporary bridge that says, you know, we will extend the tax cuts. you know, we'll reduce the spending cuts, especially in defense. we've going to do it for three months, six months. then we can have some time to look at this responsibly. remember, congress and the president never do anything that close to a good job if they are on a deadline or rush timetable. you know, we got obamacare because of that. that is going to prove a mess. we have gotten all kind of tax deals where things never really materialize. you know, ronald reagan had such a deal at the last minute in 1982, and out of every 100 cents of spending restraint he only got 75 cents because the deal was written so badly went need to take the time on this and not view december 31 as arbitrary deadline. >> jamie: it would be great if we did things in steps. i thought about this with the initial stimulus. why not spend a little and see what happens this but the white house said according to the reports -- let me get it right -- $400 billion in long-term reductions to medicare and medicaid.
are wasting precious time here to avert the fiscal cliff. was this the intended effect of the president's first offer? >> what we're trying to do is to make it more likely. we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts to the american people. brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we can do that. we have a good chance, and it's very important. and i think we'll get there, david. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. because the only thing standing in the way of that is a refusal by republicans to accept that rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans. and i don't really see them doing that. >> the idea that they have signalled something significant for them, which is -- >> what is that? >> putting revenue on the table. >> it's welcome that they are recognizing that revenues are going to have to go up. but they haven't told us anything about how far rates shoul
and if the u.s. does over that fiscal cliff what it will mean for the average american taxpayer. senator orrin hatch says disaster. >> if we don't act by the end of year, 28 million more families will be forced to pay the minimum tax. 24 million will be hit with tax and average middle-class family would see their taxes go up by $2,000. >> heather: dominic is financial advisor and joins us. so you say this fiscal cliff, its fiscal nuclear bomb. what are some of the elements that concern you most? >> let's starts with this was something created by congress and signed into law by president obama. so this is not a tsunami that just came by accident, mother nature. this was created by our elected public officials. should it go off, it will be nothing short of a nuclear weapon, a fiscal nuclear weapon. we have not only the increasing of capital gains taxes and marginal tax rates but 26-28 million americans are going to be subject to the alternative minimum tax. that is potentially $3700 additional tax liability. we have the elimination of the 2% social security benefit and up to $55 billion on the s
cliff or fiscal curve. it can end flirtations with fiscal suicide. that the lawrence o'donnell. read my work at wonkblog.com. "the ed show" is up next. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. republicans say they're laughing at president obama's fiscal cliff offer. i'll show you how they're really crying. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> there are no shortage of pens in the white house. and i carry one around for an emergency just in case, waiting for a chance to use it to sign this bill so people's taxes don't go up. >> the adult in the room continues his campaign to cut taxes for the middle class, and john boehner keeps shooting spit balls. >> it was not a serious proposal. >> tonight the latest on the stalemate and the democrats' upper hand. mitch mcconnell gets downright ridiculous with his demands to weaken medicare. one of the architects of obama care dr. zeke emanuel responds tonight. >>> house republicans pass an immigration bill democrats say is divisive and inferior. today, congressman javier on why the latino community won't be fooled.
or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff "new york times" column us david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class tacks in order to serve the rich. shafting sam's club to benefit the country club. if republicans do this, they might as well get mitt romney's 47% comments printed on t-shirts and wear them for the rest of their lives. so republicans have to realize they're going to have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what they get in return. michael steele is former chair of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst and steve mcmahon's a democratic strategist. michael, you're on the republican side and what do you think of that? the argument made by brooks which is more sophisticated. make your deal now while you can get something for it because after january 1st you will just be saving your rear end. >> i think he's absolutely right. i think part of that deal should include giving the president what everybody in this town agrees on and that is those middle tax cuts for the middle class out of the bush
for the programs that are important for millions of americans to continue, they have to be part of the fiscal cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the payroll tax cut there's a division between democrats about how much you want to raid the social security trust fund. but unemployment insurance, i think absolutely has to be part of the deal from the white house perspective aside from it fitting the democrat ex-ideology, it's also what president obama believes is a stimulus to the economy. >> yeah. >> that helps people have disposable income to go to restaurants, buy gas, buy food, to pay things for their children. and i would be very surprised if it ended up as p
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